Etymologically

Etymology and origin of the Old French word desordener

Confidence
Established
Formation
Derivation
First attested
c. 1100 Chanson de Roland More words from the 11th century
Ultimate origin
Latin ordinō
Etymology tree
inherited borrowed derived
Latin ōrdō
Spanish orden
French ordre
Italian ordine
Romanian ordin
Romanian ordine
Latin ōrdinō
Romanian urdina
Spanish ordenar
English ordain
French ordonner
Romanian ordona
Italian ordinare
Old French desordener
From the same root
Latin extrāōrdinārius ← ōrdō
Latin ōrdinālis ← ōrdō
Latin ōrdinārius ← ōrdō
Latin ōrnō ← ōrdō
Spanish ordinario ← ōrdō
Latin ōrdinantia ← ōrdinō
Latin ōrdinātiō ← ōrdinō
Latin ōrdinātor ← ōrdinō
Latin ōrdinātus ← ōrdinō
Spanish ordenación ← ordenar
Italian ordinato ← ordinare
English disorder ← desordener
English disorderly ← desordener

Forms

desordener (also desordoner)[1]

The Roland has the past participle desordenet.[3]

Etymology

It is formed from Old French des- + ordener,[4][5] the verb ordener being from Latin ordinō (“to put in order”).[6] The FEW lists the word under the Latin verb.[6]

Earliest recorded meaning

The first record is in the Chanson de Roland, about 1100, in an Anglo-Norman manuscript of about 1125, where the past participle desordenet is said of kings removed from their thrones.[7][3][4] Greimas dates the Roland record to 1080.[5]

Semantic evolution

From deposing a king the verb passed to the Church: in the Life of Thomas Becket a clerk who had done wrong was to be deprived of his orders, the sense the AND gives first beside the deposing of a king.[1][2] The general sense of throwing into disorder appears in the Reclus de Molliens in the first quarter of the 13th century, and the same author has the reflexive verb for living out of order.[4] Tobler–Lommatzsch also has the sense of mauling or maltreating, said in the Roman de Renart of a hen.[1] The past participle became an adjective, disordered, unruly or dissolute.[8][9]

In Middle French the verb was written desordonner, the head of the DMF,[10] and the modern word is French désordonner.[4]

Timeline

  • c. 1100 – desordenet “deposed” in the Chanson de Roland.[7][3][4]
  • 1125–1150 – the first Anglo-Norman record the AND cites.[2]
  • 1136–1165 – the past participle as an adjective, “disordered”, in the AND.[9]
  • 1174 – of clerks deprived of their orders in the Life of Thomas Becket.[1][11]
  • c. 1176 – desordener in the Livre des manieres of Étienne de Fougères.[12]
  • 1201–1225 – “to throw into disorder” in the Reclus de Molliens.[4]

Meanings

Verb

  1. to depose a king, dethrone.[4][5][2]
  2. to deprive a clerk of his orders, unfrock.[5][2][13]
  3. to throw into disorder, upset the order of something.[1][4]
  4. to maul, maltreat.[1]
  5. (reflexive) to break the rule, live in disorder.[1][4]
  6. (past participle as adjective) disordered, irregular, dissolute.[8][9]

Anglo-Norman

The AND gives the verb, also spelled desordiner, the senses of unfrocking a priest and dethroning a king, first cited in the second quarter of the 12th century.[2] It treats the past participle desordené separately as an adjective, first cited 1136–1165, with the senses disordered, confused, irregular, unseemly, immoderate and dissolute, in accounts also irregular or false.[9] The Middle English verb disordeinen “to unfrock” is from a form desordain- of this verb.[14]

Word family

  • desordeneement

Descendants

  • Middle French desordonner (→ French désordonner)[10][4]
  • Middle English disordeinen (borrowed)[14]
  • ordener

Usage notes

Tobler–Lommatzsch and Godefroy head the verb desordener,[1][15] the AND desordener and desordené,[2] and the DMF désordonner.[10]

References

  1. ^ a b c d e f g h i Tobler, Adolf; Lommatzsch, Erhard (1925–2002), Altfranzösisches Wörterbuch, 11 vols., Berlin / Wiesbaden / Stuttgart: Weidmann / Steiner, p. 2:1669
  2. ^ a b c d e f g Anglo-Norman Dictionary (AND2), Aberystwyth University, anglo-norman.net (2nd ed., 2005–), p. s.v. desordener
  3. ^ a b c UD Old French PROFITEROLE and UD Middle French PROFITEROLE treebanks, Universal Dependencies (from the SRCMF and the Base de français médiéval; texts by DEAF siglum), p. RolS
  4. ^ a b c d e f g h i j Trésor de la langue française informatisé (2004), ATILF – CNRS & Université de Lorraine, atilf.fr/tlfi; electronic version of Imbs, Paul; Quemada, Bernard, eds. (1971–1994), Trésor de la langue française, Paris: CNRS / Gallimard
  5. ^ a b c d Greimas, Algirdas Julien (1979), Dictionnaire de l'ancien français jusqu'au milieu du XIVe siècle, 2nd ed., Paris: Larousse (printing of 1988), p. s.v. desordener
  6. ^ a b Wartburg, Walther von, et al. (1922–2002), Französisches Etymologisches Wörterbuch, 25 vols., Bonn / Leipzig / Basel: Klopp / Teubner / Zbinden, p. 7:397
  7. ^ a b Möhren, Frankwalt, Dictionnaire étymologique de l'ancien français (DEAF): Complément bibliographique, electronic version (DEAFBiblEl), Heidelberger Akademie der Wissenschaften, alma.hadw-bw.de/deafbibl (texts by siglum, with their dates), p. RolS
  8. ^ a b Tobler, Adolf; Lommatzsch, Erhard (1925–2002), Altfranzösisches Wörterbuch, 11 vols., Berlin / Wiesbaden / Stuttgart: Weidmann / Steiner, p. 2:1670
  9. ^ a b c d Anglo-Norman Dictionary (AND2), Aberystwyth University, anglo-norman.net (2nd ed., 2005–), p. s.v. desordené
  10. ^ a b c Dictionnaire du Moyen Français, version 2015 (DMF 2015), ATILF – CNRS & Université de Lorraine, atilf.fr/dmf, p. s.v. désordonner
  11. ^ Möhren, Frankwalt, Dictionnaire étymologique de l'ancien français (DEAF): Complément bibliographique, electronic version (DEAFBiblEl), Heidelberger Akademie der Wissenschaften, alma.hadw-bw.de/deafbibl (texts by siglum, with their dates), p. SThomGuernW1
  12. ^ Stein, Achim; Kunstmann, Pierre; Gleßgen, Martin-D., eds., Nouveau Corpus d'Amsterdam, version 4 (lemmatised corpus of Old French texts, after A. Dees), Universität Stuttgart, github.com/michaniets/NCA (texts by DEAF siglum), p. EstFougL
  13. ^ La Curne de Sainte-Palaye, Jean-Baptiste de (1875–1882), Dictionnaire historique de l'ancien langage françois, ed. L. Favre, 10 vols., Niort: Favre, p. 5:134
  14. ^ a b Kurath, Hans; Kuhn, Sherman M.; Lewis, Robert E., eds. (1952–2001), Middle English Dictionary, Ann Arbor: University of Michigan Press; online edition ed. Frances McSparran et al. (2000–2018)
  15. ^ Godefroy, Frédéric (1901), Lexique de l'ancien français, ed. J. Bonnard and A. Salmon, Paris / Leipzig: Welter, p. 1:136

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“Desordener.” Etymologically, 13 Nov. 2026, etymologically.com/fro/desordener. Accessed 13 Nov. 2026.

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