indidem Latin · revision 36554

+ {{infobox|confidence=established|formation=derivation|attested=c. 250–184 BC, Plautus|origins=la inde}}

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+ ==Forms==

+ '''indidem''' (not comparable)^(Wiktionary)

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+ ==Etymology==

+ It is [[af|la|inde|-dem|t1=from there]], with the same particle as in [[m|la|ibīdem]] and [[m|la|itidem]].^(OLD 2012)^(TLL)^(Wiktionary) De Vaan explains this element as taken from the neuter of [[m|la|īdem]], where ⟨id-em⟩ was reanalysed as ⟨id-dem⟩.^(de Vaan 2008)

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+ ==Earliest recorded meaning==

+ Köbler dates it from Plautus.^(Köbler 2010) In the ''Pseudolus'' one speaker asks whether a man full of vinegar could also bring out something sweet from the same store: ''quid, sī opus sit ut dulce prōmat indidem, ecquid habet?''^(OLD 2012)

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+ ==Semantic evolution==

+ It means from the same place or quarter,^(OLD 2012)^(Lewis & Short 1879) but also out of the same source or by the same means.^(OLD 2012) With words of birth or origin it means from the same origin: Pacuvius says that all things arise from the same source and set into it again, and Nepos has ''indidem Thēbīs'', likewise from Thebes.^(OLD 2012)^(Lewis & Short 1879)^(Conte 2010) Cicero asks whether certain assassins came from Ameria itself or from the city, ''indidemne Ameriā, an hōsce ex urbe sīcāriōs?''^(Lewis & Short 1879)^(OLD 2012) Cato uses it partitively, of taking a measure out of the same supply.^(Conte 2010)

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+ The OLD notes that it usually refers back to something already mentioned, often redundantly, and that in Apuleius it is sometimes little more than a variation on [[inde]].^(OLD 2012) Ancient grammarians list it among the adverbs of motion from a place.^(TLL)

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+ ==Timeline==

+ * c. 250–184 BC – Plautus uses it of drawing from the same store.^(OLD 2012)^(Köbler 2010)

+ * 220–130 BC – Pacuvius uses it of all things arising from the same source.^(OLD 2012)^(Köbler 2010)

+ * 81–43 BC – Cicero uses it of men coming from the same town.^(Lewis & Short 1879)^(Köbler 2010)

+ * c. 125–175 AD – Apuleius uses it often, at times merely for ''inde''.^(OLD 2012)^(Köbler 2010)

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+ ==Meanings==

+ ===Adverb===

+ # From the same place; from the same direction or quarter.^(OLD 2012)^(Lewis & Short 1879)

+ # From the same source or supply; by the same means.^(OLD 2012)

+ # From the same [[m|en|origin]]; likewise from (a place named).^(OLD 2012)^(Lewis & Short 1879)

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+ ==References==

+ {{reflist}}