totidem Latin · revision 31934

+ {{infobox|confidence=established|formation=compound|attested=c. 250–184 BC, Plautus|origins=ine-pro *to-ti}}

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+ ==Forms==

+ '''totidem''' (indeclinable)^(Wiktionary)

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+ ==Etymology==

+ It is [[m|la|tot|t=so many]] with the demonstrative particle of [[m|la|īdem|t=the same]] and [[m|la|tantundem]].^(OLD 2012)^(Lewis & Short 1879)^(Wiktionary) De Vaan traces [[m|la|tot]] to [[itc-pro|*toti|t=so many]] and [[ine-pro|*to-ti]].^(de Vaan 2008) Cognate with [[sa|तति|tr=táti|t=so many]] and [[grc|τόσος|tr=tósos|t=so great, so much]].^(de Vaan 2008)

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+ ==Earliest recorded meaning==

+ Köbler dates it from Plautus,^(Köbler 2010) who has “better to be ashamed than sorry, the same number of letters”, and “how many are they? As many as you and I”.^(OLD 2012)

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+ ==Semantic evolution==

+ It means just as many, the same number as one already named, as in the poet Hostius' wish for a hundred tongues and as many mouths, and without a number, as many.^(OLD 2012) With ''quot'' or, rarely, ''atque'', it means as many as.^(OLD 2012)^(Lewis & Short 1879)^(Wiktionary) Cicero uses ''totidem verbis'', “in as many words”, of a passage he translated word for word from Dicaearchus.^(OLD 2012) Church Latin glosses it “so many, just as many”.^(Stelten 1995)

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+ ==Timeline==

+ * c. 250–184 BC – Plautus in the senses as many and as many as.^(OLD 2012)^(Köbler 2010)

+ * 81–43 BC – Cicero of a passage translated word for word.^(OLD 2012)^(Köbler 2010)

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+ ==Meanings==

+ ===Adjective===

+ # Just as many, the same number.^(OLD 2012)^(Lewis & Short 1879)^(Wiktionary)

+ # With ''[[quot]]'': as many as.^(OLD 2012)^(Lewis & Short 1879)^(Wiktionary)

+ # ''totidem verbis'', in so many words.^(OLD 2012)

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+ ==Related words==

+ * [[tot]]

+ * [[idem|alt=īdem]]

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+ ==References==

+ {{reflist}}