hetzelfde Dutch · revision 37418

+ {{infobox|confidence=established|formation=compound|attested=1240, Middle Dutch}}

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+ ==Pronunciation==

+ * /ɦɛt.ˈzɛlf.də/, /(ɦ)ət.ˈzɛlf.də/^(Wiktionary)

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+ ==Forms==

+ '''hetzelfde'''^(Wiktionary)

+ Older forms are ''’t zelfde'', ''hetzelfste'' and ''’t zelfste''.^(WNT) It is the neuter singular of [[dezelfde]].^(WNT)^(ANW)

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+ ==Etymology==

+ It is [[af|nl|het|zelfde]], the neuter article with ⟨zelfde⟩, which is, like ⟨zelfste⟩, a strengthened form of the pronoun [[zelf|alt=zelve]] that expresses complete identity.^(WNT)^(ANW)^(Wiktionary) Compare the older [[hetzelve]].^(WNT)

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+ ==Earliest recorded meaning==

+ Van der Sijs dates the demonstrative pronoun ''dezelfde, hetzelfde'' from 1240, after the Vroegmiddelnederlands Woordenboek.^(Van der Sijs 2001)^(WikiWoordenboek) The Woordenboek der Nederlandsche Taal's earliest quotation, from 1612, uses ''het selfde'' on its own for “the same thing”.^(WNT)

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+ ==Semantic evolution==

+ Besides “identical, the very same” the word came to mean “alike, equal”, as in ''het resultaat is hetzelfde''.^(WNT) The phrase ''van hetzelfde'' “of the same material” is found in 1643, of a green cloth coat with a bodice of the same cloth.^(WNT) ''Dat is mij hetzelfde'' means “it is all the same to me”.^(WNT)

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+ ''Van hetzelfde!'' is a reply to a good wish, “the same to you”; the Woordenboek der Nederlandsche Taal asks whether it is short for ''van 't zelfde laken een pak''.^(WNT)^(Van Dale 2014) Van Dale also has ''voor hetzelfde geld'', used to say that things might just as well have turned out otherwise.^(Van Dale 2014)

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+ Dutch ''dezelfde, hetzelfde'' was borrowed into Negerhollands (''selbu'', ''seldu'') and into Sranan Tongo as ''a srefi''.^(Van der Sijs 2010)

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+ ==Timeline==

+ * 1240 – The demonstrative ''dezelfde, hetzelfde'' is first recorded.^(Van der Sijs 2001)

+ * 1612 – ''Het selfde'' is used for “the same thing”.^(WNT)

+ * 1643 – ''Van hetselfde'' “of the same material” appears.^(WNT)

+ * 1840 – ''Dat's hetzelfde'' “that makes no difference” is recorded.^(WNT)

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+ ==Meanings==

+ ===Pronoun===

+ # The [[m|en|same]], identical (neuter, with ''het'' words): ''We wonen in hetzelfde dorp.''^(Van Dale 2014)^(WNT)^(Wiktionary)

+ # The same, alike, equal: ''Zijn antwoord was elke keer hetzelfde.''^(WNT)^(Van Dale 2014)

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+ ==Related words==

+ * [[dezelfde]]

+ * [[zelfde]]

+ * [[zelf]]

+ * [[het]]

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+ ==Usage notes==

+ ''Van hetzelfde'' is said in reply to a wish, “the same to you”, and ''voor hetzelfde geld'' means that something could just as well have gone otherwise.^(Van Dale 2014)

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+ ==References==

+ {{reflist}}