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+ {{infobox|confidence=established|formation=borrowing|attested=1465, Middle Dutch|origins=grc εἴδω}}

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+ ==Pronunciation==

+ * /iˈdeː/, [iˈdeː]^(Wiktionary)

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+ ==Forms==

+ '''idee''' ''n'' (plural ideeën, diminutive ideetje n)^(Wiktionary)

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+ ==Etymology==

+ It is [[inh|dum|idee]], [[bor|fro|idee]], [[der|la|idea|t=idea, archetype]], [[der|grc|ἰδέα|tr=idéa|t=appearance, form, notion]].^(EWN)^(Wiktionary)^(De Vries 1971) French had the word from 1119, with the spelling ⟨ydee⟩ recorded in 1370.^(EWN) The Greek noun belongs to [[m|grc|ἰδεῖν|tr=ideîn|t=to perceive, see]], originally the aorist infinitive of [[m|grc|εἴδω|tr=eídō|t=to see, (perfect) to know]], a verb related to [[weten]].^(EWN)^(Wiktionary)^(WikiWoordenboek)

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+ The philosophical term of Plato's doctrine of ideas was probably taken straight from Latin and was usually written with a capital.^(EWN) When the meaning later moved towards “notion, thought”, the spelling ⟨idée⟩ shows the influence of French.^(EWN) The Middle Dutch dictionary explains the neuter gender, beside the older feminine, by the influence of the native [[denkbeeld]].^(MNW)^(WNT)

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+ ==Earliest recorded meaning==

+ The first record is Middle Dutch ''ydee'' in a text of 1465 that speaks of ''de proper beilde ende ydee Gods'', “the very image and idea of God”.^(EWN)^(MNW) The Chronologisch woordenboek dates the sense “mental image, notion” to 1485.^(Van der Sijs 2001)^(Van Veen & Van der Sijs 1997)

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+ ==Semantic evolution==

+ In the 16th and 17th centuries the word kept close to Plato: it was the perfect image of a person or thing, as in a text of 1569 on the image of the pure Virgin, a model or pattern (1620), and also a phantom in a dream (1612) or an artist's set of pictures (1617).^(EWN)^(WNT) Poets used it in praise of ladies: in 1653 Vondel called Queen Christina of Sweden ''D'Idea van den Deught en Schoonheid'', “the Idea of Virtue and Beauty”.^(EWN)

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+ The sense “thought, notion” came forward in the 18th century.^(De Vries 1971)^(De Vries & De Tollenaere 2004|173) It is already found in 1698 in ''er geen idée van maaken'', “not to imagine it so”, after which the word came to mean an opinion (''vreemde idées'', 1784) and a plan (''naar heur idée'', 1842).^(EWN)^(WNT) The exclamation ''geen idee!'' first meant “nothing will come of it!” (1912); as a shortening of ''daar heb ik geen idee van'' it now means “I have no idea”, recorded in 1986.^(EWN)

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+ Dutch passed the word on to Indonesian ([[m|id|ide]], also ''idé''), Manado Malay, Minangkabau and Surinamese Javanese (''idhé'').^(Van der Sijs 2010)^(Wiktionary)

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+ ==Timeline==

+ * 1465 – Middle Dutch ''ydee'' “idea, image” of God.^(EWN)^(MNW)

+ * 1485 – First date of the sense “notion, mental image”.^(Van der Sijs 2001)^(Van Veen & Van der Sijs 1997)

+ * 1569 – ''D'Idee Van de reyn Maeghdt'', the perfect image of the pure Virgin.^(EWN)^(WNT)

+ * 1612 – The plural ''Iden'' for phantoms seen in a dream.^(EWN)^(WNT)

+ * 1653 – Vondel calls Queen Christina the ''Idea'' of virtue and beauty.^(EWN)

+ * 1698 – ''Er geen idée van maaken'', “not to imagine it”.^(EWN)^(WNT)

+ * 1784 – ''Vreemde idées'' “strange opinions”.^(EWN)^(WNT)

+ * 1912 – ''Geen idee!'' “nothing doing!”.^(EWN)

+ * 1986 – ''Geen idee!'' “I have no idea”.^(EWN)

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+ ==Meanings==

+ ===Noun===

+ # An [[m|en|idea]], a [[m|en|thought]] or notion: ''ik had geen idee dat het zo laat was''.^(Van Dale 2014)^(Wiktionary)^(WikiWoordenboek)

+ # A [[m|en|plan]], an idea for doing something: ''een goed idee voor de vakantie''.^(Van Dale 2014)^(WikiWoordenboek)

+ # ''(philosophy)'' An idea in Plato's sense, the eternal and perfect pattern of a thing, as the mind conceives it.^(Van Dale 2014)^(Wiktionary)^(WNT)

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+ ==Word family==

+ * [[ideeënbus]]

+ * [[ideetje]]

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+ ==Related words==

+ * [[ideëel]]

+ * [[ideaal]]

+ * [[idool]]

+ * [[idylle]]

+ * [[weten]]

+ * [[en|idea]]

+ * [[fr|idée]]

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+ ==Usage notes==

+ ''Idee'' is usually neuter (''het idee''), but the dictionaries also allow ''de idee'', which is the older use and survives in philosophy and in a higher style.^(Van Dale 2014)^(ANW)^(WNT) The plural is ''ideeën''.^(Wiktionary) ''Geen flauw idee hebben'' is to have no idea at all, and ''het gaat om het idee'' excuses something that has not quite come off.^(Van Dale 2014)

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+ ==References==

+ {{reflist}}