diskutieren German · revision 35974

+ {{infobox|confidence=established|formation=borrowing|attested=1582, Fischart|origins=la quatiō}}

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+ ==Pronunciation==

+ * /dɪskuˈtiːʁən/^(Wiktionary)

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+ ==Forms==

+ '''diskutieren''' (third-person singular present diskutiert, past tense diskutierte, past participle diskutiert, auxiliary haben)^(Wiktionary)

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+ ==Etymology==

+ It is [[bor|la|discutiō|t=to strike apart; to examine, discuss]], borrowed in the 16th century.^(Kluge 2011|205)^(Pfeifer 1993) Duden dates the verb to the early 17th century and thinks it probably came through [[fr|discuter]].^(Duden 7 2020|207) The Latin verb is formed from [[m|la|dis-|t=apart]] and [[m|la|quatiō|t=to shake, strike]]; it first meant “to shatter, break up” and in Late Latin “to examine a matter, discuss”, taking it apart point by point.^(Kluge 2011|205)^(Pfeifer 1993)^(Duden 7 2020|207) The Latin base verb is related to [[schütten]].^(Kluge 2011|205)^(Duden 7 2020|207) The same word is [[nl|discussiëren]], [[en|discuss]], [[sv|diskutera]] and [[nb|diskutere]].^(Kluge 2011|205)

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+ ==Earliest recorded meaning==

+ Paul's earliest record is the verbal noun ''discutirung'' in Fischart, 1582.^(Paul 2002) The revised Grimms' dictionary, which finds the verb itself from the 18th century, quotes it in 1824 of a decree being debated.^(DWB2|6, 1143)

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+ ==Semantic evolution==

+ The verb became more frequent only in the 19th century, when it took the place of the older ''disputieren'', ''diskurrieren'' and ''debattieren'', and its use grew strongly in the 20th century.^(Paul 2002)^(DWB2|6, 1143) The noun [[Diskussion]] came separately from Latin ''discussio'' in the 16th century and became common in the 18th;^(Pfeifer 1993)^(Paul 2002) ''zur Diskussion stellen'' is recorded from 1835 and ''zur Diskussion stehen'' from 1897.^(Pfeifer 1993)^(Paul 2002) [[diskutabel]], from French ''discutable'', first meant “open to dispute” and later “worth considering”, and ''indiskutabel'' “out of the question” is recorded from 1843 or around 1900.^(Pfeifer 1993)^(Paul 2002) [[ru|дискутировать|tr=diskutírovatʹ]] is borrowed from the German verb.^(Wiktionary)

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+ ==Timeline==

+ * 1582 – Fischart uses ''discutirung''.^(Paul 2002)

+ * Early 17th century – The verb is in use, according to Duden.^(Duden 7 2020|207)

+ * 1824 – ''über ein Dekret diskutieren'', “to debate a decree”.^(DWB2|6, 1143)

+ * 1835 – ''zur Diskussion stellen'' is recorded.^(Paul 2002)

+ * 1843 – Kaltschmidt records ''diskutabel'' and ''indiskutabel''.^(Paul 2002)

+ * 20th century – The verb becomes much more frequent.^(DWB2|6, 1143)

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+ ==Meanings==

+ ===Verb===

+ # To exchange views in a [[m|en|discussion]]; to argue a point: ''Wir diskutierten bis Mitternacht über den Film.''^(Duden GWDS 1999)^(Wiktionary)

+ # To talk something over in order to reach [[m|en|agreement]]: ''darüber lässt sich diskutieren'', that is open to negotiation.^(Duden GWDS 1999)

+ # To [[m|en|debate]] something in detail: ''Der Ausschuss diskutiert den Entwurf am Montag.''^(Duden GWDS 1999)^(Duden Fremdwörterbuch 2007)

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+ ==Related words==

+ * [[Diskussion]]

+ * [[diskutabel]]

+ * [[indiskutabel]]

+ * [[schütten]]

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+ ==References==

+ {{reflist}}