tantundem Latin · revision 32911

+ {{infobox|confidence=established|formation=compound|attested=c. 250–184 BC, Plautus|origins=la tantus}}

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+ ==Pronunciation==

+ * Classical: [tanˈtʊn.dẽː]^(Wiktionary)

+ * Ecclesiastical: [tanˈtun.dem]^(Wiktionary)

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+ ==Forms==

+ '''tantundem''' ''n'' (indeclinable)^(Wiktionary)

+ It is the neuter of ''tantusdem'', ''tantadem'' “just as great”; the genitive ''tantīdem'' means at the same price.^(OLD 2012)^(Lewis & Short 1879) It is also spelled ''tantumdem''.^(OLD 2012)^(Stelten 1995)

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+ ==Etymology==

+ It is [[af|la|tantus|-dem|t1=so great]], with the suffix of [[idem|alt=īdem]].^(OLD 2012) Wiktionary explains the ⟨n⟩ as the ⟨m⟩ of [[m|la|tantum]] assimilated to the following ⟨d⟩.^(Wiktionary)

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+ ==Earliest recorded meaning==

+ Köbler dates it from Plautus,^(Köbler 2010) who uses it as an adjective, I'll try just as great a trick, and as a noun, you will get just as much.^(OLD 2012)

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+ ==Semantic evolution==

+ As an adjective it is just as great or as much, which is rare: Livy says nearly as many citizens and allies fell, and jurists use it of a sum of money.^(OLD 2012)^(Lewis & Short 1879) As a neuter noun, its common use, it is the same quantity, just as much: Cicero wants as much given to magistrates as always, Horace has as much drawn from a small store, and Livy gives the allies as much as the soldiers.^(OLD 2012)^(Lewis & Short 1879) Seneca contrasts repaying the same thing with repaying the same amount.^(OLD 2012) The genitive ''tantīdem'' is at the same price or worth, as Ennius' dog barking without teeth, and ''tantundem est'' means it comes to the same thing: in Terence one asks whose a girl is and where she is from and gets the same answer.^(OLD 2012) As an adverb it is to the same degree, just as much: Caesar has a rampart just as wide.^(OLD 2012)

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+ ==Timeline==

+ * c. 250–184 BC – Plautus as adjective and noun.^(OLD 2012)^(Köbler 2010)

+ * 190–159 BC – Terence of something coming to the same thing.^(OLD 2012)^(Köbler 2010)

+ * 81–43 BC – Cicero of equal allowances.^(OLD 2012)^(Lewis & Short 1879)^(Köbler 2010)

+ * c. 50 BC – Caesar of a rampart just as wide.^(OLD 2012)^(Köbler 2010)

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+ ==Meanings==

+ ===Noun===

+ # Just as much, the same [[m|en|amount]] or quantity.^(OLD 2012)^(Lewis & Short 1879)^(Wiktionary)

+ # ''tantundem est'': it comes to the same thing.^(OLD 2012)^(Wiktionary)

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+ ===Adverb===

+ # To the same degree or extent, just as much.^(OLD 2012)^(Wiktionary)

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+ ==Related words==

+ * [[tantus]]

+ * [[tantum]]

+ * [[idem|alt=īdem]]

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+ ==References==

+ {{reflist}}