discuter French · revision 17058

+ {{infobox|confidence=established|formation=borrowing|attested=1318|origins=la quatiō}}

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+ ==Pronunciation==

+ * IPA: /dis.ky.te/^(Wiktionary)

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+ ==Forms==

+ '''discuter'''^(Wiktionary)

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+ ==Etymology==

+ It is [[bor|la-lat|discutiō|t=to examine, investigate, discuss]], in classical Latin “to shatter, shake apart; to dispel”, from [[m|la|dis-]] and [[m|la|quatiō|t=to shake]].^(TLFi)^(DHLF 1992)^(Grand Robert 2005)^(GLLF 1989)^(FEW|3, 94a) The sense “to examine” arose in Church Latin, where it rendered [[grc|ἐξετάζω|tr=exetázō|t=to examine]].^(DHLF 1992) The noun [[discussion]] was borrowed earlier, about 1200.^(DHLF 1992)^(Bloch & Wartburg 1989)

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+ ==Earliest recorded meaning==

+ A document of 1318 uses it for examining the arguments for and against something.^(TLFi)^(DHLF 1992)

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+ ==Semantic evolution==

+ Calvin (before 1564) uses ''discuter si'' for disputing whether something is so: ''Je ne discute point si Jesus-Christ a pu imprimer sur une pierre la forme de son pied''.^(TLFi)^(Littré 1873) Furetière (1690) records a legal sense, the seizure of a debtor's goods.^(TLFi)

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+ Intransitive ''discuter'' “to argue, disagree” is in Sieyès (1789), with a polemical tone; the neutral sense “to talk, exchange ideas” followed (1817, Maine de Biran).^(TLFi)^(DHLF 1992) Stendhal (1836) applies it to a person submitted to criticism.^(TLFi) Derivatives include [[discutable]] (1791), [[indiscutable]] (1832) and the familiar ''discutailler'' (1881).^(DHLF 1992)

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+ ==Timeline==

+ * 1318 – To examine the pros and cons.^(TLFi)

+ * before 1564 – ''Discuter si'', Calvin.^(TLFi)

+ * 1690 – Legal sense, Furetière.^(TLFi)

+ * 1789 – Intransitive “to argue”, Sieyès.^(TLFi)

+ * 1817 – “To talk, exchange ideas”.^(TLFi)

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+ ==Meanings==

+ ===Verb===

+ # To [[m|en|discuss]], debate, examine for and against: ''discuter un projet de loi'', ''ça se discute''.^(Petit Robert 2007)^(Wiktionary)

+ # To question, [[m|en|dispute]]: ''discuter l'autorité de qqn''.^(Petit Robert 2007)

+ # To argue against (a decision or an order).^(Petit Robert 2007)^(TLFi)

+ # To talk, [[m|en|chat]]: ''discuter avec des amis'', ''(familiar)'' ''discuter le coup''.^(Wiktionary)^(GLLF 1989)

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+ ==Word family==

+ * [[indiscutable]]

+ * [[discutable]]

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+ ==Related words==

+ * [[discussion]]

+ * [[la|discutiō]]

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+ ==References==

+ {{reflist}}